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Max, with Paul’s permission, I spread our dialogue in personal correspondence. I also have questions, mainly concerning the lack of “full frame magic” on the Fujifilm X-T2. But, to be completely confident, I need to conduct experiments …

P. – Tell me honestly, having looked at such pictures, did not you want to jump to the Fuji X-T2? 🙂

S. – I’ll be honest: when I first saw your pictures – I liked them, the second one – something’s not right. I showed them to the friend of mine, he said the following: “They look like they were taken off by a very high-quality poin-and-shoot camera. Sharpness and clarity is, but “there is no magic”… And I was with him that day agreed. But!!! Now I need to do some experience, after which I will definitively be defined… In general, my heart trembled… ☺

I admit honestly… But I still did not want to change my system of Nikon D610. And by the way, I like the color that your photos (and Liseikina’s) look like… but, you know, it is as a preset in the Lightroom – we all were addicted to it, and then began to process without color correction… That’s while this article was preparing, I reviewed thousands pictures, and already it starts to feel me sick… I want an ordinary, uncorrected color …

P. – I wish Misha told what is magic… ☺ Maybe I over sharped the photo while decreasing it, but I like it.

S. – I, as received your pictures, I put the experience: shot from a tripod by 70 mm in FF and DX mode. The difference is scanty… But now I think that at a wide angle lens there will be a very strong difference, because on FF I come much closer and strongly change the perspective. That’s what I want to check… The same thing – at 300-450 mm focal length check. Here, it seems to me, the perspective for FF will be very compressed too.

I liked your photos very much. Yes, and I say – my heart trembled. ☺

P. – An interesting characteristic: “It’s as if a quality point-and-shoot camera was shot…” 🙂 After all, I did not just transferred to the X-T2, I did a couple of snapshots. So, in the Nikon D800 is also a quality point-and-shoot camera! ☺ Since the pictures did not differ in practice: perhaps, with color.

S. – Yes, we watched pictures of the Japanese in the medium format Hasselblad, then Nikon D3100 and Nikon 50mm f/1.8… there is no difference, but I want to believe… ☺ Hard to believe. ☺

P. – I think fabulous photographers make all the magic with processing, and a snapshot from any camera is a reflection of reality. I can only agree that there is beauty in the various blurring of the background, the character of the bokeh is an artistic concept, but it is like homeopathy or osteopathy: someone believes, someone does not, and no one can prove anything to anyone.

A characteristic of “sharpness” is, “magic” – no, this I accept only at my own expense, and the camera is not to do with it. If Misha could explain what kind of magic is not enough, I would add it to my droplet.

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P. – Listen, do you really think that I touched with the color? Too bright? Or colorful? To me, my colors seemed close to reality, but if you say that it cuts your eyes, you need to do something about it.

S. – No, you do not understand… Everything is OK with the color. No claims. I just see that the preset is used. And I said that I previously used presets in Lightroom, now I do not like it. I move the saturation slider, brightness, but I rarely apply tone. And then there is noticeable tone. I like it… But I looked at your pictures, Liseikina’s, Dmitry Kochergin’s with the Fuji X-T10 – I’m beginning to get tired of Fuji’s “corporate color”… Well, it cuts the eye…

P. – I did not use presets.

S. – Simply, a feature of Fuji’s color, more precisely – a film profile, as I understand it. Chromium?
P. – In some places there is chrome, but most are processed in a Fuji standard profile… I forgot what it’s called.

S. – Well, then I see it… ☺ like the magic of a full frame. ☺ Do not pay attention then. The color settings themselves are excellent, there is no busting or shortage.

P. – Hold on! Frames with the Nikon D800 do not differ from Fuji in the standard profile. More precisely, they differ, but insignificantly: skin color… green, white is cleaner in Fuji X-T2.

S. – Look at Elena Liseykina’s blog. Do not you see the difference in colors?

P. – Fuji, of course, has his own color… Only in WB differences. At Nikon, it is warmer, the Fuji is colder. Fujifilm is more contrast, but I think it’s post-processing.

S. – So, it’s my habit… In general, I like Canon most of all. 🙂 Then, what does everyone say about the “beautiful JPEG from Fuji”? I see differences in Jpeg… and personally I’m starting to get bored. ☺ Why did you stick to me? I like girls with big tushies… And you darn me why I do not like flat ones… Well, I like …

P. – I have not bothered – it’s me who criticize Liseikina… 🙂

Another example of a day’s snapshot is that there are differences only in the white balance, which, as is known, is subjective and amenable to correction to taste.

S. – I say: at first glance, Fuji colors like. As I start to look much, I get bored.

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My friend used to shoot on the full-frame Nikon D800 and now he starts to use the Fujifilm X-T2. What is the result?
Alexander, thank you and for your compliments! As for your question, I will support Alessandro: indeed, there is the same X-Trans CMOS III sensor in the Fujifilm X-T20, the Fujifilm X-T2, the Fujifilm X-Pro2 and the Fujifilm X100f models, as well as in the recently announced the Fujifilm X-E3. Accordingly, the image quality of all 5 models will be the same.

The only difference is that the Fuji X100F has a non-removable lens with a focal length of 23 mm, and on the other cameras, lenses can be changed, thereby reaching a change the perspective in the picture. At the focal length of the FL=23 mm, the picture will be absolutely identical.

If we compare the Fuji X100F and the Fuji X-E3, in my opinion, there is no significant difference between those two cameras, and I would choose the X-E3 model, because if you buy the Fujifilm XF 23mm f/2 R WR lens, then it will be almost compact as the X100f, but the owner of the X-E3 does not need to be able to change the lens at his will. Over time, the photographer may want to take wide-angle lens 10 mm or a telephoto lens, for example. Fuji have a pancake Fujifilm XF 27mm f/2.8 with thickness of 23 mm as a replacement, Fujifilm XF 23mm f/2 R WR.

To date, the Fuji X-E3 body on the Russian market is worth 56’000 rubles (Yandex-Market) plus a prime Fuji 27mm f/2.8 for 29’000 rubles. Summ price of the set is 85’000 rubles. For the Fuji X100f they ask 90’000 rubles.

The differences between the models Fujifilm X100F and Fujifilm X-E3 are as follows:

1) The location of the disks and buttons is similar. However the Fuji X100f has the doubled ISO and shutter speed disc like the Fujifilm X-Pro2, and conversely the Fuji X-E3 – the shutter speed is adjusted by a separate disc..

2) The X100f model has a hybrid viewfinder (OVF + EVF) similar to the Fujifilm X-Pro2, and the X-E3 has only EVF. I do not know how much the hybrid version is better than electronic one. Recently I photographed a photo report with the compact Fujifilm X30, I did not meet problems with the viewfinder.

3) The mirrorless Fujifilm X-E3 has a touch screen – you can select the focus point, focusing and select 4 different functions with one touch. What are these functions is set in the menu. In the compact Fujifilm X100f the screen is normal.

4) The difference between these two cameras is in the video capture format. The Fuji X-E3 can shoot videos in 4K format (24, 25 and 30 fps with a bitrate of 100 Mbps, and this format is without APS-C like on the Fujifilm X-T20. Therefore, the image is not as clear as on the Fujifilm X- T2 (see the comparative overview above.) The Fuji X100f compact camera can only provide Full HD video at up to 60 fps .

5) On the work of autofocus – I read in the reviews that the number of points and AF modes of both models are the same: 91 or 325 points, but the X-E3 has two additional settings. Unlike the X100f, the autofocus system can track objects that move 2 times faster and have 2 times smaller dimensions. Another difference – in the focus settings of the Fujifilm X-E3, you can set the sensitivity and speed, depending on the behavior of the subject. It is also said that the lens built into the X100f does not focus so quickly… The reason is that the lens model has not changed since the introduction of the Fuji X100 in 2011. Moreover, the owner of the X-E3 can use more modern optics with the best AF, fast and quiet internal mechanism. Even the prime Fujifilm XF 23mm f/2 R WR is considered better than the built-in X100f lens. Under the link above from the photo walk-in along with the Fujifilm X30, I gave a video showing the speed and accuracy of the focus operation – I’m satisfied. I do not think that the Fujifilm X100f has the worst autofocus then the X30…

6) The mirrorless camera Fujifilm X-E3 has a mechanical shutter, which can shoot with a shutter speed of 1/8000 seconds. In the compact Fujifilm X100f is installed another model with a shutter speed of 1/4000 seconds. In the electronic shutter mode, both cameras provide 1/32000 seconds.

7) Two models have WiFi, but in the X-E3 there is also Bluetooth, which constantly keeps in touch with the camera and phone, automatically transmits pictures, if the corresponding application is open.

Conclusion: the difference between the bodies is not so significant. The image quality is the same as that of the Fujifilm X-T2 images presented in this review. It’s all about usability, plans for the future. I think the concept of these cameras is different.

The Fujifilm X100f designated for wealthy amateur photographers, who are important in compactness, who are not going to acquire more lenses. Perhaps the Fuji X100f they have is the second camera, which is necessary for trips to business trips, etc.

The Fujifilm X-E3 is a model for those who need small size and dimensions, but who is thinking about expanding the optics park in the future, giving the photographer more creative possibilities.


My friend used to shoot on the full-frame Nikon D800 and now he starts to use the Fujifilm X-T2. What is the result?
I mean that if it is not a technological limitation, but Fuji really would like to save on taxes (as car manufacturers do by reducing engine power), then the manufacturer does not cost anything to release a separate version of Fujifilm X-T2, calling it Fujifilm X-T3 (or whatever) which will be free of this limitation, and that will cost more than the value of the tax itself.


My friend used to shoot on the full-frame Nikon D800 and now he starts to use the Fujifilm X-T2. What is the result?
That’s what Paul Chertalev said about heating the Fuji X-T2 when shooting video:

“The camera really heats up: if 10-15 minutes to shoot video in 4K format, it overheats. I was annoyed. I shot dances at a concert, and not more than 4 performances managed to shoot in 4K. Then it had to move to Full HD video”.